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  Did You EVER See Yourself Leaving This Religion??/

  by minimus in

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  15 years ago, i would've never thought i'd leave "the truth".

  now, i wonder how i could've stayed on so long.

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  Thanks for your feedback.

  Minimus,

  IT, you start with slowly integrating your kids with the "world".

  Anything specific you'd suggest or found helpful with your own kids...?

  Wallflower,

  Plus, if your strong parents and have a loving, honest relationship with your kids they'll follow you anywhere.

  Hopefully!

  Odrade,

  Ken, if you allow your kids to get involved with after-school activities, and pick their own elective interests in school, join clubs or do sports, they should have no trouble making additional friends.

  These are great ideas, thanks.

  The society will make you think you can't make true friends outside of the organization. Now, we all know that's not true for us... but on some level I'm wondering if you might be holding on to something telling you that it might be true for your kids.

  I totally agree that WT uses its 'bad association' teaching as yet another form of control.

  I know that some congregations also have either few youngsters or a 'worldly' bunch of kids. The problem, unfortunately in our case, is that our local congregation has a bunch of really good, 'nice,' kids, whom my kids far prefer over their school friends.

  I really just wondered if anyone had any personal experience. On the other hand, this is hijacking Minimus' thread. Thanks again.

  Regards,

  Ken
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  Did You EVER See Yourself Leaving This Religion??/

  by minimus in

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  15 years ago, i would've never thought i'd leave "the truth".

  now, i wonder how i could've stayed on so long.

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  Minimus,

  Thanks for an interesting thread.

  No, I'd always considered myself a rock-solid JW. A couple of things got me starting doubting: the child abuse scandal, reading Crisis of Conscience, WTs increasingly frantic begging for money, etc. I was only half-way through CoC when I knew I couldn't remain, though it took a further couple of years to actually do it

  Building a strong network is the KEY to getting out successfully and never returning. I think many have gone back to the Witnesses because of loneliness--since all their "friends" and "family" refuse to acknowledge their existence.

  One of the objections my wife raises is Who would the children associate with if we all left? It is true that the kids in our local KH are great and all get on well together, they are all 'best freinds.' Frankly, it's a valid point and I don't yet have an answer.

  Any suggestions from those who have been in a similar position would be helpful.

  Regards,

  Ken
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  WTS Double Standard on the Blood Issue

  by undercover in

  1. watchtower
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  here's a few quotes from the wts website concerning blood:.

  i won't bore you with the entire article; i'll just list the things that caught my eye.. http://www.watchtower.org/library/hb/index.htm.

  how can blood save your life?.

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  XQsThaiPoes ,

  It is called the transfussion alternatives series Ill look at the box to get exact wording of the title if you want.

  Thanks, I didn't realise it was a new WT publication. If you can get the exact name, I'll see if I can get it locally.

  Regards,

  Ken
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  MEPS- Multilanguage Electronic Phototypesetting System, the early story

  by jst2laws in

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  the following is in response to requests on vm44's thread regarding what i know of the watchtower's highly touted multilanguage electronic phototypesetting system.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/79435/1290234/post.ashx#1290234

  i was close to the two original developers but left bethel before this project took off.

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  Jst2laws,

  They had to make everything from the ground up: upper case, lower case, bold, italics and then do it again for each pica size. Then do it for every language, some of which had a different graphic for each of thousands of words. And that is only regarding fonts.

  Yes, it was long before the days of Adobe Type Manager, TrueType and OpenType, it was definitely an enormous undertaking. Also, the 'pouring' was pretty impressive when you saw it working!

  I often wondered whether the system would have become commercially successful if they had gone the extra mile and included full graphics handling in the spec.

  What other "needs" do you remember that were reported?

  Oh dear, it's a long time ago, only fragments, unfortunately! I remember the problem we had identifying all the characters in the Maltese language (one of the languages printed in London), some of which were very unusual. I also remember being impressed with the keyboard's multi-level shift capacity, and which we had to specify how it should be configured. That caused a lot of 'discussion' with the old Linotype operators!

  Best wishes,

  Ken
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  Watchtower Quote

  by TowerWatch in

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  i'm trying to find the quote where it was stated in the watchtower that without the watchtower publications one could not come to a knowledge of the truth.

  something like "if you read the studies in the scriptures for two years with out the bible you could learn the truth but if you read just the bible for two years they would lose the truth".

  can anyone help.

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  TW.

  On a similar theme, you may also be interested in the following quote:

  *** w81 12/1 p. 27 The Path of the Righteous Does Keep Getting Brighter ***

  4 No matter where we may live on earth, God?s Word continues to serve as a light to our path and a lamp to our roadway as to our conduct and beliefs. (Ps. 119:105) But Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his "faithful and discreet slave," made up of spirit-anointed ones, to help Christians in all nations to understand and apply properly the Bible in their lives. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do.?Compare Acts 8:30-40.

  Regards,

  Ken
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  MEPS- Multilanguage Electronic Phototypesetting System, the early story

  by jst2laws in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the following is in response to requests on vm44's thread regarding what i know of the watchtower's highly touted multilanguage electronic phototypesetting system.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/79435/1290234/post.ashx#1290234

  i was close to the two original developers but left bethel before this project took off.

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  jst2laws,

  Thanks, that was fascinating.

  I was interested because, in London, I was involved in completing a questionnaire that Brooklyn sent us (about the thinkness of a telephone directory!) asking for full and exhaustive details of our requirements for the languages we printed.

  At the time the Factory Overseer (Phil Rees) was ill--that's another story--and not on top of his work. He forgot to deal with the questionnaire until about a week before it was wanted back in Brooklyn. We had a total panic and every factory department overseer was flapping around, 18 hours a day, trying to put together a semi-intelligent response. It was quite fun at the time.

  Regards,

  Ken
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  UPDATE: Protest Rally for TUESDAY , October 19 at the Queen's Bench

  by Dogpatch in

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  this is an updated announcement from lawrence hughes:

  the court hearing has been moved over one day to tuesday morning, october 19. the protest rally will start at 11:00am.

  i figure the protest will end at about 1:00pm.

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  fleaman,

  So, do you still think..

  There is no way on earth that the Witnesses i know or knew,would allow a known Paedophile to go un-reported and to be free to be around Kids.It wouldnot happen.That means the Elders too.

  ????

  Regards,

  Ken
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  Is this the first 'apostate' virus?

  by IT Support in

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  story url:

  http://software.silicon.com/malware/0,3800003100,39125000,00.htm

  virus alert: bacros goes back to the future .

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  Brenda

  Could someone here get a copy and send it to the WBTS accidently? ...... my bad.

  You're wicked, but a great idea!

  SNG

  Okay, okay, we hear about malware all the time...but how about some beneware? I say we write a self-propagating program that delivers insightful information to the user's desktop if it finds a copy of WT Library on the system. You know, every so often it just plops down a chapter from Plato's Republic, or, say, a survey of important philosophies over the centuries. Maybe it adds JWD to the user's Favorites list.

  That's highly creative SNG, and my admiration is enhanced by its deviousness!

  Haereticus

  According to a national survey borg is the most disliked religious domination in this country.

  Surprise, surprise!

  I've never heard of an equivalent survey in the UK, but it's highly likely it would have a similar outcome. What a wonderful way to wind up every JW's paranoia another notch or three!

  Brenda

  Seattleguy - I like that! The JW Apostate Info Virus! Set it up like adware and spyware (gawd I hate those thinge) and propogate it via JW sites in addition to the mass-email style virus.

  Just thinking about it, maybe we shouldn't--can you imagine WT's retaliation? A unremovable virus that keeps playing Kingdom Melodies on your PC. Aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhh!

  Regards,

  Ken
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  WTS Double Standard on the Blood Issue

  by undercover in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here's a few quotes from the wts website concerning blood:.

  i won't bore you with the entire article; i'll just list the things that caught my eye.. http://www.watchtower.org/library/hb/index.htm.

  how can blood save your life?.

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  XQsThaiPoes

  I have the new blood DVD it clearly in medical terms (over the head of most JWs including JW nurses I know) tells the doctors when they should give JWs blood transfusions.

  What DVD is this? Is there any way of getting a copy?

  Regards,

  Ken
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  UPDATE: Protest Rally for TUESDAY , October 19 at the Queen's Bench

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is an updated announcement from lawrence hughes:

  the court hearing has been moved over one day to tuesday morning, october 19. the protest rally will start at 11:00am.

  i figure the protest will end at about 1:00pm.

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  Happy Guy :)

  Sorry ,but ive thought about this for ages now.There is no way on earth that the Witnesses i know or knew,would allow a known Paedophile to go un-reported and to be free to be around Kids.It wouldnot happen.That means the Elders too.Im not denying abuse happens.Clearly it has happened,but not to the extent some People say.

  Many testimonials from credible people support this abuse IT, at least to a highly significant extent. Many of us have had different experiences than you IT. You are very fortunate to not have had these types of bad experiences.

  Thanks for your post. I fully agree with you--I was actually quoting from fleaman's post, but somehow my post was prematurely posted: I've now deleted the post you read and the finished post is now posted.

  Happy posting.

  Uzzah,

  Hope the case goes well, and you get fantastic support for the rally.

  Best wishes,

  Ken